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Jim and Bret Hit the Debate Trail
Candidates Meet in Four Debates Over 15 Days

Originally appeared in CBSNewYork.com on October 7, 2001 12:00 pm

(AP) (TRENTON)
Republican Bret Schundler and Democrat Jim McGreevey come out to do battle in the race for governor, facing off in four debates over 15 days starting Wednesday in Newark.

Next week brings a radio debate and a cable TV forum followed by an Oct. 25 debate to be broadcast on network television.

After months of on-again, off-again campaigning around the state and on TV to shore up their voter bases, promote new ideas and polish images, now it is time for the two men to come to grips without handlers or video editors. It will take the race for governor to a new level and will lead into the frantic two-week home stretch to Nov. 6.

There is suspense in how both will compete on issues and in style. Who can win confidence? Who can look gubernatorial at a time of crisis and stress?

Will McGreevey shrink as his opponent offers sweeping, intellectual visions of a new dawn for government and education? Will Schundler unhinge as his opponent pigeonholes him on his views concerning abortion and guns?

And what will McGreevey and Schunder say about the new purpose of this campaign.

One of the new American cliches is that the Sept. 11 terror attacks changed everything. It has become a cliche because it happens to be true. And, as with most cliches, it is too worn out to offer much insight.

If everything has changed, then what has it changed into? What is the political candidate's post-crisis agenda? One clear item, the stepchild of the Twin Towers collapse, seems to be recession.

Former Democratic Gov. Jim Florio, who left office in January 1994, is still used by Republicans in their attack ads printed in newspapers. Yet he said he does not envy the winner of the Nov. 6 election because he fears the state's current $22.9 billion budget is on the brink of collapse, and tax revenues for the incoming governor are going to tank.

"The assumptions that they worked from just six or seven months ago clearly don't have any relevance to reality," said Florio after ceremonies last week at which Acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco promised new security initiatives.

"Those are going to cost extra moneys. The combination of decreased revenues and extra services means budget gaps that have to be addressed in ways that are not easy," Florio said. "The upcoming deficit is going to be dramatically greater than anything I had to face."

New Jersey is especially dependent on the tax paid on income from capital gains, most of it from stock sales. Wall Street, slipping since May, has tumbled since Sept. 11. It would be scaring people except for the fact they are too scared already by other things.

"I would have to believe most people, what is on their minds right now, I think they would say fear of terrorism and the economy," said Jon Shure, a former aide to Florio and now a nonpartisan policy analyst.

"Schundler has already done something unprecedented. He has said there is going to be a recession. You usually don't see candidates saying that," Shure said. "In bad economic times, the economy dominates the race."

Schundler has rolled out ever new and more creative tax-cut promises. Last week, he discussed a triple cut in business taxes he claims will stimulate economic health during recession:

-- Eliminate taxes on urban real estate investment. -- Allow companies to deduct more losses in order to reduce their corporate tax on profits.

-- Let companies depreciate the value of equipment faster, allowing larger tax deductions and encouraging expansion. As he detailed these, however, Schundler could not provide specifics on cost. How many millions will these cuts remove from the Treasury Department's revenues? Taken together, he said, they would be "much less" than $100 million.

"I think these cuts may actually stimulate more revenue, an increase in revenue, because they will maintain and create jobs and people with those jobs pay more income taxes," he said.

Shure said if the cuts are that small, how much of a stimulus could they offer.

"Tax rates are a very tiny part of the decision making process" by business executives, Shure said. "New Jersey should be very careful before adopting anything that further decreases tax revenue, because the government is going to be called upon to do things in a recession."

Predictably, McGreevey spokesman Richard McGrath was more harsh. "He uses crazy math that doesn't add up," he said. "His proposals turn into red ink before it even dries." McGrath said McGreevey's recession proposal is to stay focused on property taxes and auto insurance, the main financial threats to struggling families.

"Mr. Schundler may want to give money back to business. Jim McGreevey wants to reduce property taxes for middle class families so they can weather the bad times," he said.

Nick Acocella, publisher of the Politifax newsletter, said he is not sure any of it amounts to much because voters are distracted by tragedy and possible war. "Does it eventually resonate on issues like leadership and the economy? I don't think so. But I don't know what will," he said.


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